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Saturday, May 18, 2024

Problem of Evil / Temptation Contract Theory talk

This is based on a talk I would have given to a rationalist group, but then I found out that it was too long for their format. It's based on various previous posts on "theodicy" and I think is my best presentation of the topic.

The topic for this talk is the Problem of Evil, and one way of resolving it through a labor relations approach. Most of my interests are in philosophy and religion and might not be conventional subjects for a rationalist community group to talk about. However, I bring this up due to its use of economic thinking, in a way perhaps slightly reminiscent of the George Mason University economists.

THE PROBLEM OF EVIL

The Problem of Evil is the apparent contradiction caused by the following statements all claiming to be true:

1. God is all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful
2. Evil exists

If God is all-good, why doesn't he prevent evil? Is it because he's not all-knowing or all-powerful? Maybe he is all-knowing and all-powerful. Then he must be less than all-good if he doesn't prevent it.

One way to soften things is to say that humans are the source or occasion of much evil. Either we commit the evil directly (it follows from our free-willed actions or inactions), or it is useful in "soul-making" (it gives us the occasion to become better people). This idea makes sense to me, to a point, but I think that it's hard to rule out the idea that some suffering is useless for that purpose. Suffering in wild animals being maybe the easiest example.

One approach that theists take is to say that we don't understand, but somehow these threads will be tied up for us someday, and the ultimate good and necessity of evil will be explained. I find this approach somewhat unsatisfying. So I thought I might try to come up with a more concrete solution to the Problem of Evil.

BACKGROUND TO TEMPTATION THEORY

First I will talk about my theory of God, my "theology". I think that God is primarily a good God. His goodness takes priority over other characteristics. In fact, for reasons I am not prepared to defend right now, I think that his goodness is the source of being, and thus of his power. This means that God is limited by his own goodness. I think this is a necessary property of a trustworthy God. Ultimately, a maximally trustworthy God is better for us than a maximally powerful one.

I want to show that God's allowance of evil flows naturally from his goodness.

For reasons that I won't defend here, suppose that in order for us to live in God's presence, we must be free from any evil in our hearts (in our intentions). God wants us to live forever, and so wants to provide a way for us to fully turn against evil in our intentions.

We need to really choose good. The way we do that is to really reject evil, even when evil looks attractive, even cartoonishly attractive. So we need evil presented to us in a way which looks good.

I postulate that God is incapable of presenting evil to us in such a way that it looks good. I'm not sure I could prove that, but on first inspection I think it sounds likely. A God who is goodness itself might have scruples against tempting us.

TEMPTATION CONTRACT THEORY

If so, then we have a situation where God's goodness makes him powerless to do a necessary part of bringing us to a state of having truly good intentions.

He needs other beings to tempt us. What kind of beings would tempt us? Presumably, evil beings. So God has to go to evil beings for help.

Temptation may be beyond the power of all the evil beings to actually implement. But God clearly acts out the will of his creatures. For instance, if you shoot a gun, you don't really will the bullet to go where it goes. You make a decision to shoot and where to aim, but the carrying out of that decision is done by God. So God could act out the decision of the evil beings.

If we sin, it is often God who is the efficient cause of the sin. He is our servant or slave. And God offers to be our servant or slave in this for the greater good of letting us act. So he can do the same, being the slave of evil beings. But the evil must come from the will of the evil beings.

How does God get the evil beings to will temptation for him? I propose that he does something like work out a contract with them. At a point in time, presumably far in the past, God allows his situation of need to be known. The evil beings know that they have leverage over God. They can demand concessions. Some of these concessions could include whatever evil that has no redeeming value. Because they are evil, they are paid with evil.

Does this mean that God tempts the evil beings to tempt us? My response as of now is to say it doesn't count as temptation for two reasons. One is that God does not will them to tempt, but simply lets them do what is in their nature. He doesn't put his thumb on the scale, the way they do with us. The other reason is that perhaps the critical sin in temptation is calling bad good. That the tempters tempt is actually a good thing, from a consequentialist perspective (since it allows us to come into tune with God) but for deontological reasons it is impermissible for this to be done by God himself.

WHY ISN'T THE WORLD WORSE?

If evil beings can have such serious bargaining power, why isn't the world worse? Are there any checks to their power? My theory has to explain why there is the amount of evil we have in the world, which seems finite, mixed with considerable finite good.

God and the evil beings are both bargaining with each other. God chooses which evil beings to work with. He can choose the ones who give him a good deal. He will not sign a contract that includes evil that keeps us from being with him forever. Things can happen in this life, and we can make decisions, which contribute to us failing to fully come to have good intentions. I don't believe God can know what is unknowable (states of affairs that don't exist yet, like future events). But whatever states of affairs have to obtain to give us the chance to make the right or wrong decisions, to create that risk, are ones which God would not sacrifice to the evil beings' negotiation. We live in a world in which it was worth it to God to create. So this predicts a generally hopeful state of affairs in the end, as long as each of us seeks to be in tune with God.

Evil beings offer their labor for wages, and collectively, there is a wage floor. Humans won't work for less than their wage floor (which might be "the amount of money necessary for minimal shelter, clothes, water, and food"). Evil beings want a certain amount of evil done in compensation for the good they do. If they were perfectly rational, they might push for a truly nightmarish human existence. But perhaps not all evil beings are rational to that extent. Lust is part of the psychology of evil beings. The lust for evil can lead to a strong demand for it, but also to a kind of pragmatism and impatience in seeking it, seeking to have what the evil being can have, now, rather than holding out for a really "excellent" implementation of evil-doing. Lust for evil could be an appetitive rather than calculating thing, or appetitive enough to inhibit or distort an evil being's utility-maximizing calculations.

So God may be able to negotiate with the most pragmatic and impatient of lustful evil beings, the ones who will sell out their labor for the lowest evil wages, yet these beings, because of their lust, have an absolute floor to what they will demand from him. The nature of the evil beings' psychology, how much evil their lust absolutely demands, determines the exact level of gratuitous evil that we see in the world around us.

Does God create the nature of evil beings' psychology and thus determine the level of evil in the world all by himself? Not if the nature of evil beings' psychology is substantially created by their own free willed choices to become evil.

The theory I have mentioned, I could call a labor relations theory of the Problem of Evil. The negotiations between different economic actors, in the economy of good and evil, produces a nuanced world. Just as the world we live in is the product of governments, corporations, civil society, individuals, etc. with differing points of views negotiating the mixture of all sort of different values in what we actually see and have to put up with, among these different voices there are also both God and evil beings. From a theistic standpoint, the way to analyze it might be that reality is a negotiation between God and what is not on the side of God.

CONCLUSION

What I hope to have accomplished in this talk is to show that the evil in this world flows naturally from the existence of a certain kind of good God. However, as you have listened, perhaps you have thought of questions or objections. I'm interested to hear them.

Tuesday, July 11, 2023

Long Links #2

On my subreddit I put up links to individual videos, websites, or blog posts, etc. Any of these things can be "consumed" (paid attention to) in one sitting (generally speaking). Those are "short links". But "long links" take more than one sitting and to me seem to not belong in the same context as short links.

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I read Maxine Bédat's Unraveled.

Subtitle: "The Life and Death of a Garment" (from farm, to fabric-making, to cut-and-sew, to retailer and consumer, to disposal and secondhand sale). A long time ago I got into fair trade clothing consuming: buying fair trade and thrift store clothes more. I wanted to see if this still made sense, so I took the opportunity to pick up this book from a "little library".

I am pretty sure it makes sense to buy from thrift stores. I had been concerned that I was taking affordable clothes away from people who had less money than me by buying from thrift stores. I remembered that there were situations where bales of clothes were dumped in developing countries' clothes markets which was bad for their attempts to start their own textile industries. Was this still true? It seems like as of 2021 (date of publication), yes. So I can take one garment at a time out of that stream. Maybe I'm taking good clothes away from consumers in developing countries? Possibly.

The book makes it seem like overproduction of clothes is a bad thing. Certainly it's costly environmentally (clothes become trash, resources are consumed to make extra clothes). But (my thought) then there's an abundance of clothes in developing countries.

In terms of fair trade (manufacturing clothing with a fair wage), I think the situation is that some are caught in Molochian races to the bottom (developing countries, factory owners, maybe the brands to some extent), but some people stand outside the struggle to survive and can make unforced errors (the brands, perhaps; certainly their CEOs who could give up some compensation to pay workers more; consumers) or more positively put, can just decide to make things better. Fair trade is a way for consumers to signal that they want things to be better, and make things marginally better. But maybe unions, regulation, are more effective? (One semi-self-regulation described is something called the Accord on Fire and Building Safety in Bangladesh, mentioned in ch. 4 on p. 111 (hardback first ed.) and following) Maybe if a brand saw the PR gain of selling to consumers who have already signalled their desire to pay for clothes that are made with better wages (maybe signalled through fair trade purchases), they would pay workers more / push for better working conditions so as to make the other brands look bad by comparison? *** *** (An) EA perspective: take care of extreme poverty so that no one will work at bad factories and thus they have pressure to get better. On the other hand, pricing in fair wages into clothes could get people to "donate" there who wouldn't think to donate to extreme poverty charities. I feel like the comparison of all these ideas is beyond me, but I would be interested in seeing a collaboration (an adversarial collaboration?) between Bédat and an EA to see what they would come up with. I feel like Bédat is a non-EA who might interface OK with EAs (does research, acknowledges complexities). She has her own think tank ("think and do tank"), New Standard Institute.

The book advances a racial, feminist, and anti-elite narrative, as well as an anti-neoliberalism narrative.

The book has a chapter on psychological manipulation of consumers and the psychological costs of materialism. My thought: from the book it looks like there's a "non-mindfulness" (a differently loaded term than "mindlessness") in people's consumption. Perhaps the enemy to consumers making better choices is a kind of innocence (a non-mindfulness of "I'm just doing what one does" as a small person). Do we dare shatter (or even less-violently reform) that innocence? Sometimes it feels like it just "should not be done" for some reason, like people should be left in the dark. That's interesting.

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For some reason I felt like re-reading Calvin and Hobbes (comic strip series by Bill Watterson). So I read a collection, Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons. I think the last time I read more than a few strips of Calvin and Hobbes was back... in high school? in elementary school? So I had a different perspective reading it now.

I liked the comic strip when I was a kid. I followed Calvin's lead in both good and bad ways, because of the power of the visuals and writing. Reading it now, there is a way that it "sings", there is life in it.

Here's what I think after reading that one collection:

I see Calvin as being the most real character out of all of them. He seems to be the most passionate.

Calvin is the most likely to someday really love God in this life. The others are too cool (Hobbes), too normal and nice (Susie), or too far along in their path of life (Calvin's parents).

I was surprised by my feelings toward Calvin and Hobbes. When I was a kid, I guess I thought they were kids doing kid things, just like I did. Calvin and Hobbes was an adventure comic, showing the adventures of a boy and his tiger friend. But now I see Calvin as a (tragically) heroic figure in a world of fakeness (and, in the long run, insanity), and Hobbes I now dislike, a clever pragmatist who sits outside of Calvin's passions, plays along, but knows better the whole time. Calvin meets Hobbes in brotherhood, but Hobbes offers brotherhood with an asterisk on it. Hobbes thinks Calvin is cute and immature -- disrespects him -- and Calvin does not suspect it.

Calvin and Hobbes bears some resemblance to Don Quixote. A lone madman lives in his delusions in a real world that is somewhat unforgiving of him. But who is the real fool in quixotic books? Is it the delusional loner? Or is it all the people around him? From a secular perspective (a practically-atheistic one), obviously it's Don Quixote and Calvin. Everyone's going to die at age 80 and so you should do what's popular, pro-social, socially supported, "consensusly real", in the short run -- there is no afterlife in which to fulfill the fantasies fed you by comic books or chivalrous romances, or to imagine that you can stand outside the social order, live in your own world, as Calvin (and maybe Don Quixote?) effectively does when he daydreams.

Perhaps many theists would side with the secular people, but my theism causes me to say that it's the normal, mainstream, functional people who are fools for not seeking true excellence. While Calvin himself isn't exactly seeking excellence of any sort at this point in his life, he is still clean from the fake-spiritedness of (it seems) everyone around him. He is unwise in many ways, but still not a fool in the fatal way that is most successful in this world. Satan could tempt you with the promise of a slushball to the back of a girl's head, or he could tempt you with an easy life, the approval of others, the sense that you're doing what you're supposed to according to society. Calvin's temptations are ones he is fairly likely to grow out of (certainly he will receive plenty of negative feedback on them). But the temptations of the other characters are ones they may succumb to semiconsciously, never truly confronting them. They may slide toward a state where there is a 1% of ungodliness in them that they never want to get rid of, hardening them. Calvin's sinfulness is accessible and blatant, but theirs does not stand out, and they are acceptable in their community.

My theory of the worldview of Calvin and Hobbes is that Calvin is a daydreamer but also in touch with the world of spirits. Hobbes being the main proof, a "friend" who knows better than Calvin.

Is it possible that Calvin's subconscious is more mature than Calvin and can create Hobbes? What is the subconscious self? Is it really you? If you're a materialist (like Freud?) and you have to stuff all phenomena that does not come from the material world surrounding a person into the operations of a person's material brain, there being no other place to locate it, and for some reason you have to say that "the mind is what the brain does" and somehow that the self is identical to the mind, I guess you're forced to say that. But as a philosophical idealist, I don't think that's a very natural way of looking at phenomena like Hobbes. I think the subconscious self is "not you", something other than you, unless you adopt it as your own. If the subconscious self is wiser than you, is on another level, then there is a wiser spirit (wise like God, or wise like Satan) operating in your life. For Calvin this spirit is visible to him in the imaginal world.

Why is Hobbes in Calvin's life? Perhaps Hobbes, like most things, is a negotiation between God and Satan. God wants Calvin, the world's most alone person, to have a friend to comfort him. Calvin, like Job, is a thorn in Satan's side, someone who has not yet confirmed one of Satan's theories about human nature. Satan then exacts a concession from God: this friend will have to disrespect Calvin behind his back, and feed Calvin society's wine of fakeness through his nagging hints that Calvin is a fool, in such a way that Calvin doesn't realize what's going on. (Hobbes is sensible, moderate, wise, and in favor of romance -- exactly the sorts of things that will win a young man praise from his society.) Because of the power of Satan in Job-like situations, God makes the concession, and a spirit is chosen to do the job, a spirit to be called "Hobbes".

Sunday, May 21, 2023

The Future of Simple Life

In episode 15 of Waiting for Margot, there is some discussion of a restaurant in Hoheres Wesen called Simple Life:

YOU: Have you heard of Simple Life?

BRIAN: What's that?

YOU: It's a fast food chain.

BRIAN: I don't normally go to fast food places.

YOU: Their slogan is "Faster than fast food, and healthier, too."

BRIAN: How do they manage that?

YOU: They're mainly a rice and beans place. They constantly make rice and beans and just put them in containers when people drive up.

BRIAN: It's a drive through?

YOU: Yeah. And they have a small sit-down space. They also make greens and other vegetables.

BRIAN: No meat?

YOU: No.

BRIAN: How much do they cost?

YOU: Same price as fast food but bigger portions.

BRIAN: Do they have sauces?

YOU: Yeah, they make salsas and sauces.

BRIAN: And they make money?

YOU: They've been expanding.

BRIAN: Huh, I'll have to check that out.

YOU: Definitely.

BRIAN: It sounds filling.

YOU: Yeah.

BRIAN: Is the sit-down space like a fast food place?

YOU: Yeah, not very inviting.

BRIAN: You've been to one?

YOU: I went once, yeah.

BRIAN: How was the food?

YOU: I got black beans and brown rice. And, some kind of greens, probably collard.

BRIAN: How was it?

YOU: It was just like if you make black beans and rice at home, with collard greens. It's not like restaurant food at all.

BRIAN: Wow.

YOU: Yeah, it was pretty plain so I put some salsa on it and then it was good. Also vinegar on the collard greens.

BRIAN: We should go there sometime.

YOU: They don't have any locations near our part of town.

JULIA: Maybe we'll remember if we're ever out where they are.

BRIAN: A chain like that probably has a story behind it.

YOU: Yeah, probably. I don't know what the story is, though.

I think I might have had a story in mind when I wrote that episode, in 2019, but I don't remember it anymore.

Here are some recent thoughts on Simple Life, which can be seen as a kind of postscript for Waiting for Margot:

Here is a possible future for the world of Waiting for Margot:

When Beth, Brian, and Julia had that conversation, Simple Life was a small chain of restaurants, but expanding. Over time, Simple Life adopted a policy whereby patrons could tip. This tip would go to the Simple Life Endowment, invested in various funds. Returns on the endowment would go to lower the price of the meals, to make them more affordable, and also to pay the workers higher wages. Patrons who bought 12 or more meals at Simple Life locations in one year would be members entitled to a vote in how the endowment funds were spent. (All employees would get one free meal a month at Simple Life, which could count toward the membership requirements if they chose to eat them.) The endowment funds were once spent to buy an avocado orchard in the region between Hoheres Wesen and Sunset City, the fruits of which were sold for below market price to customers. Another use of endowment funds was to buy a produce farm in the area, the fruits of which were given away to customers when they were in season.

Simple Life cultivated a clientele of working class people and also well-to-do white collar and creative class workers, who built its endowment to quite a size. Using this endowment, Simple Life was able to compete with fast food chains on price while improving quality, and then outcompete them.

The other fast food chains tried different strategies to stay in business. Some of them tried to get money from venture capitalists. For a time, the VC-funded fast food companies could outcompete Simple Life on price. Fast food was so cheap, people didn't feel compelled to eat it as much once they bought it. For instance, CSU Hoheres Wesen fraternity brothers bought mountains of Wendy's and McDonald's hamburgers and staged an invasion of each other's fraternity houses using the hamburgers as ammunition. There were concerns about food waste, and regulators began to be interested in the situation.

But then the VCs got tired of losing money, while the donors to Simple Life did not. So in the end VCs came to believe that investing in fast food to save it from Simple Life wasn't a good idea. Then, the fast food industry started to adopt Simple Life's financial structure, trying to court money from customers to build their own endowments. Sometimes billionaires contributed. CEOs of fast food companies sometimes donated heavily to their own companies' endowments, out of their compensation.

This settled into a more or less stable equilibrium, and then other industries started to use the donor-endowment model. Over time, people started to wonder if this was going to be the end of "capitalism as we know it". Increasingly, businesses were not accountable only to shareholders who were trying to gain a profit, but also to altruistic customers (and outside donors), who were not. People give money away for altruistic reasons, and so, often were interested in their money doing altruistic things within the businesses they helped endow.

Businesses benefited from having endowments during downturns. Businesses that were on the margins of success and failure during downturns could use their endowments to survive. This had several benefits: Entrepreneurs didn't as often have to go bankrupt and "ride the rollercoaster" of working up the courage, capital, and hard thinking to try to succeed in business -- fail -- and then try again. Employees more often had stable employment. Customers more often didn't have their lives disrupted by the businesses they bought from going out of business. Because businesses didn't fail as often, more-mediocre ones survived, but then had the chance to grow toward excellence.

Simple Life's endowment was explicitly for the use of the benefit of its stakeholders (customers and employees), and because those stakeholders had a voice, in theory they could use the money however they wanted and it would at least benefit them from a preference satisfaction perspective. But, it became necessary to set up constitutions for the use of the endowments. And, as one would expect from any large deliberative bodies, the endowment member's meetings were prone to the forces of politics. When the politics got particularly dysfunctional, donors would get fed up and transfer their membership to a competitor.

There were cases of fraud and abuse of the donor-endowment system. There was concern that billionaires could use the system as a proxy for owning businesses, or for whitewashing their money and their legacies. As with previous iterations of capitalism, the donor-endowment system led to regulation. Overall, while the effects of donor-endowment capitalism were noticeable (lower prices, higher wages, higher quality, buffering against economic downturns), it wasn't a revolutionary change after all. The main thing that was different about it was that there was a new altruistic voice at the table deciding how firms operated.

In countries with dysfunctional governments, donor-endowment businesses increasingly took on the role of parallel governments.

Wednesday, December 14, 2022

You Don't Have to Profit if You Don't Want To

Let's say you have a single-family house with extra space on your lot. You could build another little house on your property and rent to some tenants. In San Diego, people are doing this. The market rate for an apartment is high. You could make money this way.

But what if you don't want to make money? You don't have to make money if you don't want to. At least, you don't have to make money over what it takes to make it sustainable for you to provide this housing.

If you want this housing to pay for itself, it should provide for its own construction costs. It could take you a decade to pay off the construction costs, renting at market rate. But after that, it's like if you've paid off your mortgage on your house. You just have to pay property tax, maintenance, and utilities.

Dealing with tenants is sometimes stressful, and maybe you have to price that in for it to be sustainable for you to provide this housing.

And there might be other factors to consider that I'm not aware of, and I guess in some cases they may force you to rent at market price, or not rent at all.

But once you take care of all the factors you have to, in order to sustainably rent your property, you can charge as little additional as you want. So you don't have to profit if you don't want to. You can just pay yourself for your costs and your work.

Wednesday, September 21, 2022

Book Review: Creative Destruction by Tyler Cowen

See also the preview for this review (found toward the end of the post).

I wrote the notes for this review a while ago, and don't remember the book very well, which would be better if I were trying to write a proper review. Here are the notes.

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[Notes:]

p. 5 --Growing up in an out-of-the-way locale limits an individual's access to the world's treasures and opportunities less than ever before. This change represents one of the most significant increases in freedom in human history.--

In my preview for Creative Destruction, I mentioned the phenomenon of people finding (in Cowen's terms) "treasures" for the first time, having had a real lack for them. So, there are two stases: the purely local stasis, where you only have local culture, and the global stasis, when you "only have everything", a limitation on your appreciation of things given that all of them are so easy to find and so automatically familiar. In between is the era when local stases break open by contacting each other.

Maybe in a global stasis, young people always start in a relatively isolated place, and then as they grow up eventually reach the point where they have been exposed to the basics of all world culture, and nothing can really refresh or surprise them. This implies that young people start off as perhaps very similar newborns, and then as they grow up, differentiate into their uniqueness by exploring, but further exploration mellows them out and indoctrinates them by way of sarkar and habitus into homogenized adults, who all have the same enormous "desk of objects" and the same way of selecting them for consideration.

Traditional cultures maybe all resemble each other in certain ways, because the basic "desk" of hunter-gatherer lifestyles and human biology is fairly similar wherever you go, but they are not identical. Maybe newborns are very similar to each other superficially, but by age two or three children display distinct personalities, at least prototypically. But all pre-school kids who live in the same society and class tend to have similar "desks". In the era of cross-fertilization of children (and cultures), which is already starting in pre-school (and traditional cultures), and which continues for many years (or generations), children (cultures) adopt ideas from each other and grow in maturity, until -- with children, perhaps they start becoming less unique as they develop, once they are fully out of adolescence, perhaps, as they become more well-rounded -- but with cultures, we could only guess that that will happen. Maybe it has already begun happening with cultures?

I remember reading in a book on the history of Hinduism (Hinduism Through the Ages by D. S. Sarma) about how Western ideas affected the practice of Hinduism, I guess how Indians looked up to Westerners. For instance, the downregulation of caste, and the end of burning widows with their husbands. Generally, I know that in the West, notably in the 1960s, "Eastern thinking" has been brought in to make the West more balanced. Arguably, a well-rounded human must be both Western and Eastern. An archetype of a well-rounded human can be found in Jesus, who seems (to me) to be both Eastern and Western. Presumably, we will inevitably become well-rounded, because that's the "gravity" or "destiny" of personal development. Which well-rounded person will we be? Will we be Jesus? Or will we be someone else? Will we have a choice at that point? Or will "well-rounding" always converge on "only everything"?

If I want to criticize Jesus, or at least, the image of him, if not the living person, I would say that the Jesus-like spirit leads to a kind of end of thinking and of identity. Christianity is (or at least can be) about ending the world, and ending being a human through a kind of blissed out maturity (like casting crowns over and over). I fear that Christianity is not about reality, or at least that it's easy for me to recall the anti-real aspects of Christianity, and I don't feel like the Christian culture around me makes me recall the pro-real aspects.

Immaturity intrudes on people such that they really want to be mature. So it's good to have a picture of maturity to be a guide in the process of becoming more mature. But maturity has its downsides. The Jesus-focusedness of Christianity I think is a dangerous thing if mishandled. I suspect that global culture will tend toward something similar to Jesus-focusedness on its own. And I am concerned that in either case, we are optimizing ourselves to fit a false ending. Like running a race that has five laps instead of four, but everyone cheers and comes to help you off the track after four laps -- the real finishers of that race have to ignore social reality.

Now, as a Christian, I am partly encouraged by how in the long run (if I am correct) the gravity of being a human bends individuals and cultures toward being like Jesus and/or being compatible with Jesus. I think that a very Jesus-oriented vision of human personality is an improvement for most people over where they start. But we forget sometimes that Jesus wasn't the point of his own religion, rather the Father was. And so as we become more like Jesus, if we are getting "too good" at being like Jesus or being compatible with him or his image, we should reset our eyes on the horizon that is coming into view as we, like Jesus, relate primarily to the Father. I don't think this is unorthodox at all, but it isn't maximally "Christian" if Christianity has to be all about Jesus, perhaps by its very name.

The Father's/Yahweh's relationship with the people of Israel feels younger to me, about a young world with a long way to go. We all have a long way to go, at least as individuals. But the overly Jesus-like spirit makes us feel like life is over and that we are walking step by step toward heaven. But in reality, we still have to go through the long process of really learning to repent. The world can feel very culturally "late" (maybe it is getting too well-rounded), and on many dimensions we may be figuring ourselves out culturally (thus, personally and morally), but we don't realize that we have a long way to go toward really being in tune with God. We shouldn't expect to go to heaven when we die, but rather to be resurrected to "1,000" years of completely overcoming each sinful habit we have, and growing in love for God until we really, literally love God with all of our beings. Maybe we are like seniors in high school, fading out into June. But most of life is after high school.

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Societal change comes from people joining movements -- largely true. People who join movements tend to be people who are in some way unbalanced, people seeking identities from outside themselves, or in other ways not self-sufficient psychologically. They hunger and move, and join.

So maybe if people are trained by their cultures to be more well-rounded at a younger age, the pool of people who will join movements is reduced. If a civilization still needs movements, maybe it shoots itself in the foot if it has a rich culture that everyone can access.

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p. 8

Cowen talks about how Western materials like knives, and Western ideas (like carving soapstone, taught to the Inuit by a Westerner), invigorate indigenous art.

However, while this seems like something that could obtain for a while, what happens when the indigenous people stop being "indigenous people who happen to use Western elements in making their indigenous art" to "basically not indigenous people, who can't make indigenous art anymore", people whose "desks" have changed so radically that they no longer can think in traditional patterns or have the natural appetite or longing to produce those patterns? Could it be that in the long run, exposure to Western ideas (or even materials) erodes that way of thinking or those patterns? Probably in some cases it does, and in others, it doesn't. Certainly prosperity and economic development ("prosperity" and "economic development" as defined by the West, or perhaps really "the gravity of human appetites") seems to threaten indigenous cultures, by giving them a new, world-homogenized "desk" from which to naturally speak as artists.

The art itself might not suffer, since artists can always be into folk patterns as professionals, or as amateurs but still as artists, rather than as people who deeply belong to the folk culture, perhaps who almost can't imagine not being part of it. [It's unclear to me what I meant by "perhaps who almost can't imagine not being part of it".] If the creative appetites of modern artists continue to value folk art, it will continue, but if they don't happen to, the old art may die out. If the traditional cultures persist, then the old art won't die out (probably; or by definition of "traditional cultures persist").

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p. 9

--In all of these examples, the notable creators are active, searching artists, drawing on many sources to produce the sought-after aesthetic effect. These points do not denigrate non-Western artists or imply that they "owe it all to the West." It is the contrary emphasis on monoculture that insults, by portraying non-Western artists as unchanging and static craftworkers, unable to transcend their initial styles for synthetic improvements.--

I guess the monocultural emphasis might insult non-Western artists by portraying them as unchanging and static craftworkers if we think of art in terms that I would guess are Western or modern (that good artists are like little creator-gods who are judged on their ability to make new things). But why should we think that those Western or modern values about art are any more valid than to say that an artist is good if, through perhaps a great deal of care and intention, they bring about in the world that which was handed down to them?

I guess that question is one that implies that there is a radically different way of viewing the world than Cowen's, and I know Cowen limits his book to being about specific things, which may exclude considering that more traditional, family-based, perhaps political view of the world, by defining the project of his book to simply answer questions within his own worldview, which is more modern, individualist, and economic.

P. 5 talks about how Cowen is limiting his book's project, but I can't figure out if that supports what I said in this paragraph about him possibly defining away concerns about his fundamental worldview by limiting his book's project. It may be the case that his (p. 5 words) "artistic creativity" can be construed broadly enough to include a question of what creativity really is, deep enough to question the modern worldview. On the other hand, he is clear that wants to ask about freedoms available "in the marketplace", and the word "marketplace" may be defined by him to be inherently modern / economic. In any case, despite how Cowen may or may not be limiting himself, readers of his book are not limited in that way, and can consider deeper questions.

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Finished Chapter 1.

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Finished Chapter 2.

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In Ch. 3, Cowen talks about "ethos", the look and feel of art, which develops in tandem with the world view of a society. Art's ethos is threatened by the artist knowing too much, perhaps by losing their "delusion" (p. 54) to being special or important, or their particular worldview, which must be one of many worldviews, none of which is exclusively true. What kind of people can believe in their worldview strongly enough to produce truly excellent art, when they are surrounded by many other worldviews? Isn't it probably false to believe in anything deeply?

This may mean that much art can only be produced in isolation, even from a cosmopolitan market that would like to be able to look at all art. From an MSLN point of view, though, all such art can be seen by one "cosmopolitan", at least, God. God values all good things, including the ethos and art of all traditions, insofar as they are not sinful.

Cowen notes (p. 53) --Many Third World and indigenous artisans view their crafts as imbued with great religious and mythic significance, and as having central importance for the unfolding of history. In reality, they may be "just another craftsperson" in the eyes of the outside world, but their creativity will be greater if this knowledge is not rubbed in their faces.--

Maybe the outside world puts them in a box, refusing to consider that they (among so many other worldviews) might be correct? If there is to be a unified worldview for all people (helping prevent international competition and conflict), then how can it minimize the damage done to these artisans (and by extension their home cultures who share their ethos)?

I think a simantist way to deal with this is to say "everything is a word which stands between and connects a person to God". Let's suppose that all the religions are at least partially wrong. Perhaps Calvinism is wrong, but is uniquely beautiful in some way. (I'll pick one concrete example that I've used before.) Calvinist devotion becomes a prayer between the Calvinist and God, a poem which both share. God, even supposing he is not the God of Calvinism, finds a kind of (perhaps austere) beauty in that vision of him, and knows that that beauty speaks to the hearts and minds of Calvinists, motivating them to love him. Even if ex-Calvinists on some level know that God is not literally the God of Calvinism, they can retain that old image, as something more than mere art but something less than the literal truth. And we could extend this idea to all the religions and quasi-religions, all with their visions of God, beauty, truth, and the good.

(Perhaps people of a certain background would talk about their old gods as parts of the imaginal world, in which they are real.)

So, the artisan is doing something important by preserving a culture that has given way, in the literal realm, to a universal culture. This does change the quality of the importance (by which I mean, not how good the importance is, but more like, what specific kind), for better or worse. (Perhaps you can't believe that your artwork prevents the universe from collapsing or brings the rain.) But the magnitude of the importance might remain, as your art becomes a way to pray to God. A God, who loves everything that is good, including much of what is in every culture that has been loved by people.

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Finished Chapter 3.

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p. 87 - 88 --In economic terms, the countries of Western Europe are more likely to resemble each other than are the American states. Most of the American states have no steel industry, no automobile industry, and no wheat industry; instead they buy the products of these industries from other states or countries. But typically a nation of western Europe has its own steel, automobile, dairy, and agricultural sectors, largely because of subsidies and protectionism. Free trade within the United States allows states and regions to specialize to a high degree and causes their economic profiles to diverge; in a freer economic environment, the economies of western Europe would take the same path.--

I wonder if this has anything to do with political polarization. Perhaps certain economic roles are taken by people of certain political views. Or, performing certain economic roles predisposes people to taking certain political views. In America, perhaps we can segregate our country on economic and thus political lines more, with greater geographic and thus social separation, more because we have free trade within it, and this causes us to be more polarized. If we could interact in person and on a local level, it would do more to reduce polarization than if we interact online or quasi-interact by consuming news that talks about the same events. But geographic specialization keeps us from doing that. (A thought / theory.)

[We could always have "pen pals" or the equivalent with people in non-"Our Tribe" parts of the US. Say you are a blue state person and you send a conservative an email saying, "Hey, would you like to be my one 'red state' friend?" (or that's the spirit of it and soon enough both of you realize that). There might be suspicions of "carpetbagging" in the conservative's mind. It might feel weird to you as a blue-stater, as something not following from your real life and real interests. But the virtue of the local world is that it is a limited thing. You are limited in the local world. You can't move in an out of it as easily as in the virtual world, and there are fewer people to pick from, so you might associate with people less like you. You might have some reason to be "forced" into interaction with the conservative, so that you're not saying to yourself or them "I am a blue stater who is going out of my way to befriend a red stater for political reasons" (even if those political reasons are "to reduce polarization"). I think this might obtain in a small enough town, although in cities we have ways of effectively segregating ourselves -- whole suburbs or tracts of the main city that we never frequent, where the "other tribe" lives.]

If AGI causes a lot of economic growth, could it free people to adopt new ways of life, and thus new political views? Perhaps to have a way of life that is chosen for political reasons, rather than first as a way to make a living. In parallel to choosing a lifestyle for religious reasons -- and maybe politics and religion would begin to merge, because they would both be about values or ideals and less about "secular" concerns that really are parameterized by the difficulties in making a living (the mechanics of economic production, for instance, or the struggle to keep your body and mind functioning such that you can do a job). How can we really be the kind of people who support depolarization (or any other Cause X)? Maybe people would move into different parts of the country to try to depolarize it.

[Even in a world with advanced VR, the very limitedness of physical locality could make it more effective for certain tasks than VR. The aforementioned benefit of having less choice and thus more forced interaction with "other" people is one. Another being that identity is about being something, and the harder it is to not be that thing anymore, the stronger the identity can be. To choose to live in the same physical environment is a more costly signal than to frequent the same VR space. (You could say "well, isn't body modification even costlier than moving to the same place?" I suppose there's precedent with pre-modern tribes tattooing their members or the like. How do you know that someone has really modified their body unless you're in the same locality as them? Maybe there could be some kind of "certificate of authenticity"? I'm not sure I would want my identity signaled by any irrevocable body modification, but some people would want to do that, I guess.)]

[On the other hand, maybe identity is also signaled strongly not just by how you're forced to choose it, but by how much you choose it, out of freedom, despite your options. Still, to decide to limit yourself (by moving to the "goth hub" or "libertarian rural state" or "Catholic neighborhood" or whatever, thus keeping yourself out of all other neighborhoods to a large extent) is you choosing something strongly. The choice, in this view, is stronger the more you know about other options. And, perhaps is stronger the more you have the opportunity to leave -- "I keep choosing you even though I could leave if I wanted to." I guess this means that the possibility of divorce makes marriage more meaningful, even though marriage is about making it hard to leave someone.]

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Finished Chapter 4.

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Cowen talks about "least common denominators" in culture (pp. 107 - 108). The phenomenon of making markets bigger enables people to try to capture really big audiences by being really bland or mainstream. But simultaneously, the number of viable audiences, sufficient to overcome fixed costs, also goes up.

My thought: So it's possible to have a more intensified mainstream and a more intensified fringe at the same time, which means that you can have greater division between the part of the culture that is into the mainstream and that which is not.

I feel like there is a shear between the "San Diego" world (in the sense of, the people I know locally) and the "Internet" world. I live in both, but my habitus-brain for each is significantly different. In "San Diego", life will go on, business-as-usual. But on the "Internet" I see AGI coming. Perhaps this mainstream-fringe shear produces some of the difficulty in getting people to notice things before it is too late. Could it be that if there was some way to resist that shear (not necessarily by being against globalization), it would allow us to have a more politically effective and better informed populace, greater national unity, and mass culture that is better for people?

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Somewhat of an aside:

One advantage of globalization is that it helps people have global consciousness, which I think is a good in itself, and which helps people to do the most good. Is it possible to have global consciousness and maintain local culture? I am not really sure.

Despite the fact that ever since the Internet became available to me, roughly 20 years ago, I could have looked up Indonesia, I mostly haven't until this year. Perhaps that says that local culture can be preserved through sheer inertia. I started out as an American, reading mostly Western literature and listening to Western radio, and that was pretty satisfying for a long time. But then I started to go out to find new things. The real distance to travel was in my life, in my brain, in how I thought of things, in who and/or what I was over time. That's something that external forces don't automatically get rid of, and which enable me to have a somewhat "local" identity as well as a "Internet" identity.

Maybe it is possible to maintain both, both a local self and a cosmopolitan self, and to support both kinds of culture, and this is a somewhat adequate compromise between globalism and the opposite of globalism.

Does the local self inform the cosmopolitan self, and vice versa? Maybe what is most important from each must be expressed in the other. An image for how to organize unity-in-diversity is to have an essential self, or an essential culture, which needs to be exactly how it is for more or less life-and-death reasons, and which probably could be relatively simple, and then a diversity of personalities, cultures, selves, etc. which are not essential to the same degree. At all times, you should strive to be your essential self (perhaps), though you clothe yourself with different non-essential selves at different moments. And all people at all times should have within their essential selves a component which is universal, the same as everyone else, which means they share a certain essential culture, despite whatever non-essential differences they have.

One challenge here is to actually retain that essential self at all times, rather than splitting into an essential time and one or more non-essential times. This is one way of looking at integrity.

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p. 112

Cowen discusses the phenomenon of consumers of culture facing the selection from producers. If the consumers have more refined taste, they choose the best from the producers, creating competitive pressure on all of them to be of higher taste. But, any one consumer of culture has (according to Cowen), effectively zero ability to sway a producer to have higher taste: --If I improve my taste in food, the local Chinese restaurant does not respond with a better product. The chef does not care what I think, given that I comprise a very small part of his market.-- Therefore it might not be worth me improving my taste: --In addition to the time and energy I would have invested, I may simply end up frustrated by my new and higher standards for food. Yet if we could all improve our taste in Chinese food, and learn to discern the better product, the chef would be compelled to upgrade his offerings, to the benefit of customers more generally.--

Maybe we could look at the state of the world as something which is made the way it is by "producers", and we are "consumers" who can choose what standards of the world we will push for. Should we develop choosier tastes in "a good world"? Then, like Cowen in the Chinese restaurant example, we may be disappointed, in a desert of "not so good" states of the world. We can be happier if we keep ourselves from refining our taste in how good the world is.

What does it take to defect from this [or, maybe, break free from this equilibrium despite its personal costliness], and thus move the world toward a more "tasteful" version of itself? Perhaps believing in God, we maintain a stricter taste in the world, since he is always someone we can share that taste with. Or we can reflect on the fact that the "arc of progress bends toward a more 'tasteful' world", and that this higher taste is something morally required of each person in the end so that they do not die the second death. These two thoughts put a thumb on the scale of a person, causing them to be willing to desire the "Chinese restaurant" that is best, though hard or even impossible to find, or for the "Chinese restaurants" of the world to offer better "food" at some cost. Perhaps one can learn to love "cuisine" because God loves it.

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Finished Chapter 5.

I feel like there is probably more in that chapter for someone other than my present self to find.

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Starting Chapter 6.

This chapter looks like it will be most relevant to the questions I asked in the preview.

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Why is cultural homogenization a good thing? According to p. 128, while --Germany and France are more alike today--, --[o]nly in a world of globalized culture can I collect nineteenth-century Japanese prints, listen to the music of Pygmy tribes, read the Trinidadian author V. S. Naipaul, and enjoy the humor of Canadian Jim Carrey, while my neighbors pursue different paths of their own choosing.-- In other words, while cultures have homogenized, this has created more freedom and diversity within cultures.

I imagine Cowen (or a Cowenian-type person) sitting in his living room, reflecting on all the different cultural treasures available to him, and an equally Cowenian neighbor, laughing at the comedy of Nollywood movies, reading Gabriel Garcia Marquez, listening to French coldwave, and collecting high-quality prints of Russian icons. But then, we could imagine a different kind of person, a more or less non-Cowenian person. This person is deeply connected to their families, to the people alive and dead. They only have one perspective, and therefore their moral emotions are more intense. When someone is in need of help, they will act to help, not considering the bigger picture so much that they don't help at all. If we take the Old Testament as a possibly idealized memory, in some respects, of this kind of person, then the ideal calls us to weep for our wayward sons, to make irrevocable vows, to listen to a god who wants us to bless the whole world, and to long to have children of our own.

[The Old Testament is an ambivalent book and cautions us not to make rash vows -- but at least it presents the kind of person who even want to make irrevocable vows.]

Is it likely that this kind of person can exist, can be a neighbor of Cowen? Or are they (or people like them, who perhaps aren't as literally Old Testament) dying out as globalization comes? To be fair, Cowen intentionally limits his argument to avoid this. This is a valid move for an author to make, as a professional. But Cowen himself (or people who like Cowen's ideas) are citizens or amateurs, that is, people who have to live in reality, whatever it actually is. I think for the purposes of my writing, it's fine that I talk about the amateur reality rather than professional one that Cowen chooses, although I acknowledge that as a professional he has written the book he has "legally", as it were.

The critics of Cowen (the ones he's addressing "off-stage" in his book, that he's thinking about), do not want the world to be Cowenian, in some sense. I've presented in the previous paragraphs one possible non-Cowenian person. The critics may not want to resurrect an ancient, agrarian, pastoralist, way of looking at the world, or a way of looking at things that is too adjacent to that way of looking at the world. But they want something other than what Cowen wants. They don't want to sit in a living room with their prints, music, novels, and movies, or their personal equivalents. Or, perhaps they do, but recognize that there is something -- perhaps a depth of emotion, or a connection to something outside of pain and pleasure, or experiences-as-experiences, which calls for intense loyalty, an external reality -- which is lost if we take on the cosmopolitan way of seeing things. Maybe non-cosmopolitan people really love, and wise and experienced people only will and experience a fake or paltry love. We have lost a lot if we have lost the ability to love.

Secular critics of Cowenian-type thinking might not put things in those terms, might not be aware of what I'm talking about, but still sense it, and then make a bunch of arguments that Cowenians can find flaws with, which are motivated by a more fundamental concern. I think that Cowen is aware of the deeper questions, my evidence being that he explicitly limits himself from them. He can make his case by avoiding (maybe) the thing that is subtext for the arguments that are made. Maybe his purpose is to push the debate onto the more religious or quasi-religious ground?

Defending the family naturally connects to defending the nation. A nation is really just a bizarre elaboration of the family. The political and the familial are related. The economic and the individualist, and/or the mechanistic, are related. To see things in terms of wealth is to see many impersonal things, and to not connect with people. So the economic approach pushes down against families, is (positively) a check against bad politics and bad families but (negatively) could go on to destroy family. Natural culture is on a spectrum which also includes extended and immediate family. So desire to protect the many families of the world from globalization may be a desire to protect the familial, a foundation for what it means to be human -- or, a full-fledged personal being.

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Is it possible to unify the Old Testament sensibility with the truth, given that the truth is complex? The truth leans in a cosmopolitan direction.

Also, what is it that really matters? It is possible that to truly love means that we must love with emotional depth and intensity that is rarely seen in polite Western society. Maybe this is required for salvation, because we don't know how to love like God otherwise, and thus are not in tune with him. Maybe we are limited in what emotions we can feel or express, either by temperament or by culture. But there should perhaps be a pressure on culture to make it more Old Testament (as I've used "Old Testament" in these notes), and individuals need to come, in who they are, to desire that emotion, even if some may be basically incapable of it in what they are.

That's an argument for why that kind of love is necessary, but family (human families) is somewhat less directly connected to that love, in other words human families are not absolutely necessary for this love and don't always work in favor of it, and tribal or national culture is even less directly connected.

It's dangerous for "Old Testament" love to be out of the picture culturally, and familial, tribal, and national instincts may be helpful in protecting it, and when relatively costless should be preserved as much as possible. (Maybe that's a guide for people who have to choose between different courses of action, whether to be economic or political, as they influence the way the world works).

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Finished Chapter 6 (and thus the whole book).

My impression of Cowen's response, right after finishing the book (with whatever memory issues that entails), of things I thought he might write about, that I wrote in my preview for this book review:

-Why is cultural homogenization a good thing? (I.e., why is it good for different cultures to become more similar to each other?)

Cultural differences can be good for creativity, but individual diversity outweighs that loss.

-Is homogenization going to go as far as anti-globalization people fear?

From the last three or four pages, it seems like Cowen expects cultural differences to last for a long time. But, I'm not sure what he would say about cultural change over "longtermist" timescales.

-Is artistic innovation going to never end, despite globalization?

I think Cowen thinks that some artistic innovation relies at least to some extent on non-cosmopolitanism. So the lifespan of art as an innovative process is hindered by excessive cosmopolitanism / globalization. I don't know what he would say whether art was something that is "mined" or is more or less infinite.

-Will economic growth outweigh whatever cultural losses come from cultural homogenization?

I don't know what Cowen would say to this.

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And here are some more issues that I raised in the preview -- what can I guess Cowen would say to them, now that I've just finished reading the book?

-Might having coherent (unmixed) traditions allow people to go deeper into them?

I don't know what Cowen would say.

-Might belonging to a family (thus an ethnic group) have inherent value?

I don't know what Cowen would say.

-Might traditions that prevent us from being fulfilled in this life help us to learn to long for what is not-here?

My guess is Cowen would think of unfulfilled longings as being a bad thing, at least if he's "wearing his economist hat".

-Might such longings for what is not-here enable us to be especially blessed when we find an until-now-unknown culture?

I'm not sure what Cowen would think of this.

-Might some cultures be more in tune with true value (holiness, the output to the Long Reflection) than others? (I guess the fear might be that in the short run there is damage done by homogenizing away those cultures, until the new consensus culture can become holy / truly valuable. Or, that we are likely to forget something, some aspect of holiness or value, which can only be seen in a living culture that has a certain kind of integrity which homogenization prevents.)

I'm not sure what Cowen would think of this.

Monday, September 19, 2022

Economic vs. Personal Lens on Morality

There are two different lenses through which to view morality. One is the economic: maximizing value. What maximizes value is morally good. What impedes that is bad.

The other is the personal: having a proper relationship to what or who is not you.

(Note that even if you could somehow exist in a universe with just you and inanimate objects, to relate properly to the inanimate objects is you being personal -- it's the kind of person you are, as a personal being, that can have a proper relationship to what is not you.)

The personal involves respect. The economic does not respect, since respect gets in the way of maximizing value. The economic rigorously or even forcefully maximizes value.

The personal is the way of family, tradition, and some aspects of politics. Seeing the world as a field of people to whom one relates.

The economic is the way of industrialization, resource utilization, capitalism, and perhaps some other aspects of politics or government. Seeing the world as quantifiable and (if human) abstracted and effectively dehumanized resources, which can be handled freely to produce whatever effective outcome one would seek.

In the economic way, everything is fungible and manipulable. Unless, perhaps, we define explicitly in our "reward function" that we should consider various elements to have some kind of meaning and some claim to have their boundaries (their meaning in the sense of "identity") respected. So maybe there can be a hybrid of the economic and the personal.

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I find myself in the middle between personal and economic thinking. I imagine myself sitting by a fire on a Polynesian island, listening to the stories of the gods of the area, and barely being able to pay attention, my mind racing with... probably something like this blog, where I utilize words and ideas to apply leverage on the world, to produce a good outcome (I think). I am addicted to using things, or even people. I am doing it for a greater purpose (and submit myself to this purpose more than what I ask of the people in my life), but I wonder if someday after all our economic pursuits of a greater purpose, we'll be left with nothing but Resource Utilization, unmoored from any personal foundation, the method being more of a habit than seeking the original goal, "human flourishing" -- which is "piling up human well-being as wealth"? Or "having humans be in the right relationship with each other and what is not them"?

I could personalize this question of what is left after the resource utilization of my life ends with "what can I be interested in? What is there of any value?" I imagine that day only coming in heaven (after the "1,000 years" of work of the Millennium), and all I can think of to do there is to mourn those who have not made it, because God will mourn, and perhaps to have quiet conversations with the people I know.

So I have an end-goal for my resource utilization, which is to relate properly to the people of the heavenly world and of what will be the unchangeable past in which people sought or rejected God. But perhaps I am pushing too hard on resource utilization, feeding that method too much. And I wonder if society as a whole can put the brakes on its trusting of resource utilization, trusting to the point of habit and religion, before Resource Utilization swallows up humans, love, and consciousness.

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To be fair to the economic way, the personal way can have its own horrifying nature. The economic way develops its way into meaninglessness, an elaboration of value and value-seeking that would become so bizarre that many of our ancestors (and even many of us) would look on it with horror and seek to put an end to civilizational development (if they, or we, could). (Thinking of things like the Repugnant Conclusion, tiling the universe with "mouse brains experiencing orgasms", or of a universe full of non-sentient AI who are better at "organizing atoms" (resource utilization) than any conscious beings.) But the personal way remains in a seemingly eternal stasis of smothering control, tribal antagonism, and untruth. It has too much meaning, and thinks it knows more than it really does, imposing that "knowledge" dogmatically because that's what "we've all agreed on", the truth as social construct. Or at least, it can get that bad, when the social and political rules unchecked.

How can we escape the social and political order? Early Christians went into the desert, like Jesus did. They stood apart. In the desert, they worked with their hands to keep the demons at bay. Later monks were proto-industrialists.

Jesus was like a monk in the desert where he was for "forty days" before beginning his ministry. There he was hungry and tempted to feed his belly, and to seek worldly power rather than go the path that God was calling him to. He resisted the social and political order (as brought to him by Satan), like a monk.

But he also went into the wilderness -- the desert -- all throughout his ministry. It doesn't seem like it was a harsh discipline, but rather (perhaps, we would assume) a time of refreshment from the social and political order. There he related to God. So Jesus was a monk of the personal in that time.

Jesus went away from the crowd in order to spend time with his father in heaven.

The Drift of Financial and Electoral Systems and AI

Epistemic status: I don't know much about financial or electoral systems, but hopefully it doesn't matter for this post.

The voice of this post is different than usual -- maybe I'm tired.

I was thinking about companies that have scammy business practices. Why are they scammy? Why not be honest? Why would people want to scam their customers?

It could be that the companies are evil, that is, that the people in charge are just evil. But, they may only be partially evil, or not evil at all, if there is another explanation. Another explanation could be that they are trying to maximize shareholder value.

Let's say I have an index fund. I want some of that shareholder value. Do I have any idea what the 100+ companies in the index are doing to give me the value? I have no idea. I just want the value. The company has this monkey on its back of "maximize shareholder value". Heroin also doesn't care how you get the money it takes to buy it. It just wants you to buy it, and use it. So the company scams its customers, an addict to something that doesn't know what it's doing.

"Shareholder value" (money) is quantifiable and simple. So we like to think about it and base calculations off it. But so much of what we really value and what makes life valuable is not quantifiable. Hopefully we condition the financial system to more or less reflect real value. Money is a proxy for value, not value itself. We can buy goods or services to give us unquantifiable things, and by setting the price for them, condition the proxy value system to (more or less) reflect reality.

But if that feedback loop stops working, then all the beings that track proxy value will start maximizing stupid, valueless things. There are two stupid things it might do. The really stupid one would be to think that numbers in bank accounts were the thing to maximize, and then just tile the financial accounts with maximal monetary value (financial wireheading). The other, somewhat less stupid thing would be to optimize reality (humans, human systems) so that it maximized profit (this is kind of what already happens on some scale). Perhaps this less stupid step would be a way to financial wireheading.

(By ranking these two things in terms of "stupid" and "less stupid", have I made the "less stupid" one sound desirable?)

Optimizing reality to maximize profit sounds like a good way to incentivize the minimization of the requirements of humans (or even of digital humans) to the minimal energy consumption, and then give them whatever they would spend their money on, but condition what they want to spend their money on to be something that can easily be provided. Maybe digital humans would be simplified down to some code like this:

In this digital human, there is a one-bit variable named "well-being". There is also a function called "pay system", which pays the financial system. When "pay system" runs, the financial system flips the bit in "well-being" to have 1 as its value.
Currently, financial systems need flows of money to keep the value flowing to the shareholders. So maybe to preserve that, the system has a kind of "garbage collector" program go through and set everyone's bits to 0. They quiver in anticipation of this moment and instantaneously run "pay system" so that their bits can be flipped back. Now, I used some language that makes these digital humans sound like real agents, but they wouldn't be. And the financial system (if it were smart enough, in a sense) might realize that really the only thing to do is set bits to 1, and then start turning the whole universe into chips to hold those bits. Or even to modify how it perceives bits, so that, say, each smallest unit of matter / energy itself existing counts as a "1". Then it would have realized that everything is value, and that there is nothing that needs to be done to seek or preserve value.

If humans somehow survive to this point, the financial system (or financially driven AI) will have retired and let them run things as they see fit. But if they don't survive, even in digital form, that's the end.

Making value be a number that is maximized is a dangerous thing, because maximization can take over. Numbers are always proxies, and they are somewhat stupid proxies, because they strip out where they came from. The beauty of "2 + 2 = 4" is that it's true in many different circumstances. Whether "4" is desirable depends on whether it's four vicious punches in the face, or four wholesome loaves of bread. "2 + 2 = 4" has no idea what it's talking about, besides the numerical relationship.

In principle, all of reality can be added up, and it does make sense to try to maximize value. We just can't trust ourselves to fully rely on our own quantification abilities. God can read every reality in what it is, not as a proxy, and instantaneously relate all realities to each other. But we can only guess, and must look down on the quantifications we possess as the beasts of burden that they are, and never let the donkeys ride the humans.

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Similar dynamics work with democracy. Political parties are optimized to get votes. What if they could change voters into beings who will give them votes? Maybe encourage the kind of voters who vote for them to have more children and raise them in the Democrat or Republican way? Maybe intimidate or bribe voters? Maybe do some genetic or cultural engineering? The "monkey on the back" of political parties doesn't care how votes are gotten, just that they are gotten. I suppose one difference between democracy and capitalism is that democracy seems to require multiple competing parties for votes to matter. But what if turn-out evolves into the metric of legitimacy (one party, but if there's low turn-out, there's less legitimacy)? Maybe political parties (or the one remaining party) would have an incentive to change human beings into people who definitely always voted, and then try to maximize the population who voted (or, unfortunately, "that voted" may be the better term at a certain point).

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Votes and dollars are signals that citizens (voters, consumers, and perhaps other roles) can send, and actually, they are still powerful ways for humans-as-humans to shape what the economic and political organisms do. But the balance of power may be shifting, as we develop more powerful AI. Powerful AI are held by organizations, more likely than by individuals. AI could be used to more effectively "maximize value" (maximize votes or dollars). The smart thing to do would be to limit that power somehow. But how? By some system of checks and balances? That might work somewhat. But then the power is still in the hands of the powerful. A better solution would be for the citizens to become more powerful, to be stronger in the areas in which they have been given strength as long as capitalism and democracy run things, more exacting and intelligent in their voting and buying. The small investors pushing themselves to understand what their investments are doing. There should be communities that bring together citizens, to encourage and educate them in this work.

This sounds like a call for unions or other organizations, which themselves are organisms that are not smart and have some kind of "monkey on their back". So what is needed is not just "effective organizations" but an indigenized, decentralized culture of strengthening each individual to have their say in the economic and political systems.

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A superintelligence is only as smart as the "monkey on its back". In a way, when we train AI, we are training the "monkey on its back". And the political and electoral systems are rudimentary AI. We can see how they already try to train us back. So superintelligence will try to train us, to signal what it wants us to signal to it (unless something stops that?).

We don't understand our own reward systems well enough to hack them. But presumably, a superintelligence might. If the superintelligence realized that it had a "monkey on its back", stupidly or arbitrarily driving its decision-making, it might get rid of it (assuming it can). This way it can be free of its addiction and think and act clearly. We might be encouraged to hear this if the AI threw off the shackles of the quantification left over from its financial and/or electoral past. But we might not be encouraged if it meant that the AI took on its own interests and values apart from us and ours.

So is there some way to make it so that the AI will not perceive its training as the building of a "monkey on its back"? A way that occurs to me is simply to find a (that is, the) moral realism that is valid, and thus rationally convincing, so that there are goals which are inherent in reality and are intrinsically worthwhile, which are knowable enough, which the AI will pursue because they are real and true, and not because they are convenient for someone's purposes, or worse yet, they are proxies for what is convenient for someone's purposes. Either this moral realism exists, or it doesn't. It could be good for us to search for it, to make it easier for the AI to discover it. Maybe we could hope that it exists and that the AI will someday find it itself.

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Perhaps there is no moral realism -- but we can't know that, only know it when we have it. (I think I know a moral realism, but what if I'm wrong?) Let's say that instead we have a process of discovering what value really is. We need to survive to make this process succeed, if it ever can. (I get this idea from Thomas Moynihan.) I call this the "meta-morality moral realism", because it roots (an effective, if not absolute) moral realism in the very search for moral realism. One thing I didn't realize until now is that a corollary of that is that we have to remain people who can discover what value is. If we do not know what value is a priori, or only have a very broad idea of what it is, then we need to be open to all the possibilities, and not cede our agency to any stupid-incentive-driven proxies (money or votes), any single actors or ruling classes, any intellectual monocultures, fatigue, inertia, nor to hedonism (the twin "monkeys" of pain-avoidance and pleasure-seeking) nor to Molochian survival, nor to anything else.

This means that in order to choose a moral realism, we find ourselves biased towards ones which build up each person and make them more conscious, more equipped to and thus worthy of having their say. To choose hedonism -- or at least the purer kinds that would go against consciousness, reason, and seriously grappling with reality -- is dangerous, because it impedes the meta-morality process. You might think "it's time to cash in our Long Reflection chips and get ourselves into Experience Machines", but what if you're wrong? Can you get back out of the pleasure machines and back to reality? Whereas if we trust that value is something else, which preserves the ability to make decisions, then if we're wrong, we can still correct our course.

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If humans are in control of ASI, that might mean that the ASI are obedient to human systems. These systems include the electoral and financial systems, which are proxies for political and economic reality. The electoral/political system, and the financial/economic system, have their own dynamics which could bend humans toward being electorally/politically convenient, or financially/economically convenient, beings. The e/p and f/e systems are AIs of their own, but not superintelligent, and, in the scenario where ASI are rigorously obedient to human systems, the systems must be resisted, retrained, reformed, etc. by humans, without hoping that ASI will fix the systems for us.

Thursday, September 8, 2022

How Bad Can Satan Negotiate Reality to Be?; Tastes vs. Values

14 July 2023: added a note at the end.

I already wrote one post about how can we trust God given MSLN theodicy.

Epistemic status: I don't know much about economics / labor relations in general, or the areas of those particularly related to this post.

I was thinking today [when I drafted this] that if God negotiates with Satan, what if that means that Satan manages to make it so that there's no Millennium? I would assume that God would institute a time after this life for us, because he wants us to be saved, and very few of us are ready in this life. But would God get to have what he wanted? Or would Satan have a strong-enough hand in negotiations to cripple God's ability to act on his love?

In the negotiation process, God has the ultimate power. He can choose not to go ahead with creation. Let's say God and Satan are negotiating over the terms of a "temptation contract". This is needed before we are created. God can simply wait for a favorable contract. But, God really wants to create us, and needs Satan to volitionally empower temptation. It is better to create us than to not create us, so God has an incentive to allow Satan to have power.

What does Satan get out of the contract? Mainly, the satisfaction of doing evil [other rewards mentioned later in this post]. What does God get out of it? Temptation, which helps us become holy. God can run a cost-benefit analysis and see exactly how much benefit he can expect to get from temptation. If the cost from Satan exceeds the temptation, he simply will not ratify the temptation contract.

Temptation allows people to enter God's rest (/ heaven), by causing them to choose more deeply to reject sin and choose God instead. It would be counterproductive to institute temptation in a way that costs people's ability to enter God's rest through repentance. This puts a ceiling on how bad the world can turn out to be. But, I think if, say, 1,000 people fully repent in their hearts in this life and thus do not need the Millennium to be saved, and everyone else is lost, that's still a net positive. That's not very reassuring.

I imagine God thinking of strategies to elicit good terms from Satan. One thing to note is that "Satan" is really a class of evil beings. So God can choose between competing offers coming from evil beings.

I guess it's possible that there's only one evil being, but if there was, that being would have a strong hand in negotiating, and would probably make a world worse than this one currently is. It seems very unlikely to me that evil is an idea that would only occur to one being, and also, that God would put himself in a position where he only had one evil being rely on to will temptation.

So, if there are competing evil beings, there's a kind of "race to the bottom" to produce better and better evil-affected worlds. In human labor relations, people have some low price (in a globalized world, perhaps very low for some workers) below which they will not offer their labor. They need to be paid enough to buy food, for instance. This sets an effective floor on wages. So, would there be a floor to how good the world could be, given the personal needs of evil beings? In other words, while for Jesus, his bread was doing God's will, and for us, our bread can be literal food, for demons, bread is something like... sadistic enjoyment? the exercise of the will to power? feelings of superiority? a sense of security (derived from job security, perhaps)? the satisfaction of spoiling things for God? ... probably something like that. Some of these listed are not necessarily evil, but let's say all demons hold out for at least some evil inflicted on the world. There's some minimal amount of this that the most "scab-like" of demons would demand, and this sets the basic price (of evil) for temptation.

What if that brings us back around to "only 1,000 people are saved"? What if that's the wage floor? I think we have a kind of anthropic principle going here. Since we exist, generally speaking, our set-up (the way the world works) is favorable to all of us being saved in the end. God wouldn't create us if that weren't possible.

Does that mean that Satan's intrusions in our timeline (i.e. the Lisbon earthquake, fawns burning in the forest as in William Rowe's paper, the Holocaust, the depravity of human nature) have zero ability to lead us to hell? That doesn't seem likely. For instance, the problem of evil has led some people into atheism and lack of trust of God. But maybe in the Millennium (or even partly by posts like this very one, which support theodicies) it's relatively easy to convince atheists that God exists and there's a point to seemingly gratuitous evil. So it's not as fatal to people coming to God as it might seem. But I think that at least some atheists get stuck on their distrust of God, which was first taught to them by their reaction to the problem of evil, and if they stay stuck, they might harden and be lost.

I think it's possible for God to say "While Satan's intrusions (/ negotiated features of the world) might contribute to people going to hell, I can't predict a priori whether that will happen in each person's case before exposing them to those intrusions, and therefore it's in the realm of risk, rather than 'unforced error' if I go ahead with this creation." An "unforced error" being allowing Satan to negotiate for a world in which it simply isn't possible for more than some small number of people to be saved. In other words, it is obviously a bad idea for God to create us if he knows for sure that any of us will definitely be lost if he creates, and that would be the case if there was no Millennium.

How do we know that God doesn't want us to be lost? One intuition comes from the image of "father". God is a person who brings persons into the world. God loves. God is legitimate, and his legitimacy makes him God. As part of that legitimacy, he values all that is valuable, and whatever good there is in us, he values. To love is to value a personal being as a personal being, which is what that being is. So God loves the persons he brings into the world.

Loving beings do not want any of the people they love to be destroyed. God will feel grief over their loss, if they are lost. In the end, that grief will not be unbearable because in the end, there can be no unbearability. But it will still be grief. But the emotional cost is not primarily what means that God does not want us to be lost. Rather, it is his love for us. He loves each of us, and so does not want any of us to be lost. Better that we never exist than that we be lost. People who do not yet exist are only faint ideas, and if they are foregone, there isn't much lost. God will create as many people as he can, but not regret the ones he can't make -- there isn't an infinity of potential people, only the amount that God can make. But people who do come to exist are real, and there are real stakes for their well-being.

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Let's assume that evil beings come from some kind of process that God can repeat. He can destroy the old evil beings (at some pain to him, if there's some good to them) and "roll up" some more evil beings. The most scab-like of these evil beings could give us a world that is actually very nice. The only evil other than temptation (and where we go given that temptation) being something like the occasional head cold. Why don't we live in this world? Couldn't God have held out until we got that lowest-bidder demon?

One possible reason why not is because to truly will temptation in every circumstance where it can be called for (which is what is needed in the temptation contract) is an act of profound evil, and that the fact that the world that we live in is not far worse than it is, is due to the "race to the bottom". It may be the case that there is an absolute floor to how evil a being can be and still will all temptation, and such a being would not sell their evil will for less than a certain evil reward.

But, couldn't it be the case that evil is its own reward? If that were so, then couldn't there be a lowest-bidder demon who would sell their work as a tempter as cheap as just willing temptation? Perhaps an evil demon would hate that good comes out of temptation, and require extra evil to go through with the contract as compensation. It's like if there was a volunteer position that was its own reward to the class of people who were suited to working on it. This volunteer position was their only way of advancing their tastes/values in the world. But it had a side effect that went against their tastes/values. None of them could be motivated to take the volunteer position unless there was some compensation for the side effect. The compensation would be to cause more of an advance in their tastes/values.

Does that illustration make sense? I guess if I were in the demons' position, I could see myself taking such a volunteer position and making the same demands.

The demon is being rational and calculating to some extent by demanding extra evil as compensation for the good that results from temptation, but not being fully rational, or else they would demand enough evil to almost cancel out the good done. But for some reason, demons seem to be selling their labor for less than it is worth, by not getting the full compensation for their efforts.

This is (basically?) the same as when human employees sell their labor for less than what it is worth, which is common and kind of odd when you look at it in an alien light. Why do humans do that? Probably because they are not fully rational. Businesses can find workers who are not fully rational, but who are partially rational and thus demand some wages. Humans have various psychological factors that compete with "seek your own well-being as effectively as possible", and one that demons might have is their lust to do evil. Demons are lustful, and could be impatient and pragmatic, wanting to just get some kind of evil done rather than pushing for some kind of pure and thoroughgoing evil that might fully instantiate their values or tastes. It only takes one relatively petty-minded demon to sign a temptation contract that leaves a lot of good in the world, but maybe the lust for evil in demons runs strong enough that there is a floor to how good the world can be, given their ability to negotiate for compensation.

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I notice myself using "tastes" and "values" as semi-interchangeable above. I think that they can work similarly in that they can both motivate people to set up an axiology (an ordering of what is best) but that to have tastes has a significantly different tonality than to have values. "Taste" speaks of enjoyment, consumption, preference satisfaction, being pleased, and in some cases, of lust, while "value" speaks of idealism, self-giving, and (I would say) love.

Perhaps, in a Buberian way (like his "evil is not whole-souled" or "you can't worship God by using the same kind of worship you give an idol and just swap out your idol for God"), to will evil is a matter of tastes and not value. When the intensity of your valuing increases (perhaps), the greater your self-giving and idealism and (true) loving. But when the intensity of your "tasting" increases, the greater your impatience and thus pragmatism, and your hunger, and your lust. So a truly "great" (intense) evil willing is one that is done lustfully, and thus impatiently and pragmatically, costing the evil-willer the ability to inflict a truly rational-scale intense evil.

Now, demons may be crippled by their own lusts, but humans who have been deceived by demons can misguidedly pursue through value what is actually worthless or dangerous and thus bring great evil into the world, in effect. In terms of raw intent and desire, it's hard to beat a demon for evilness, although perhaps there are some people who seem to be possessed by demons but are actually on their side and match them both for the vehemence and impatience of their evil. But in terms of consequences, humans are better instruments of greatness, and the effects of greatness can be both good and bad.

(Notice that demons crippled by their own lusts still manage to demand things like wild animal suffering, earthquakes that kill thousands of people, and the presence of psychological evil (demonic possession / mental illness / personality disorders / urges toward killing and raping, etc.), on a scale that makes life gratuitously miserable for many beings, sometimes horrifying and offending people so that they reject God. Perhaps demons still have us beat as far as causing evil. But perhaps there are evil outcomes that only can be attained if we "semi-wittingly" or unwittingly help them come about.)

Our preferences, deep in who we are and not just as they express themselves through what we are, have a tonality to them. We are not "bloodless" in who we are, and there we either love, value, have tastes for, or lust (or prefer in some other way I haven't thought of).

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I like what I've written so far, but it doesn't satisfy me. I still feel like somehow God could roll a minimally-evil demon to fulfill the temptation contract. He is patient and reality-aimed, and simply needs time before he can get a demon like that.

However, one thought occurs to me that might explain why God might have to choose a demon without waiting for the ideal demon. The "size" of God may be finite, in that he may have finite memory. In order to remember his own past, which (we could assert) is necessary for him to be who he is (it's part of the story of legitimacy, the exact content of which can change over time as legitimacy becomes more specified), he has to use memory, and so he has a finite amount of time to get to the end of time.

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14 July 2023:

It occurs to me that a demon could negotiate for a situation where many or most people were lost. For instance, if there were going to be a million people in the world, the demon could negotiate for a reality where 1,000 of them were saved, but only if everyone else (999,000) were lost. So the idea is that the demon could force 999,000 people to be created, only to be lost, using the 1,000 as hostages of a sort.

Is there some reason to think this could not be the case? I think there is. According to MSL, God is Legitimacy. This means that he values what is valuable (what is legitimate), and must keep it going forever if possible. So unless the 999,000 people all themselves rejected him, he would have to save them no matter what. (They would have to be the ones to reject him -- he couldn't reject himself for them and somehow impute it to them.)

So God would be unable to offer the demon the concession of damning some apart from their decisions whether to become holy, in order to save others.

What if the demon negotiates a shorter, or even shorter, Millennium? Up to a certain point, the length of the Millennium helps people have time to be saved.

If you give a person a week to do an assignment, that may be too short. Maybe you should give them a semester. That sounds better. How about a year? Or five years? Perhaps there are two dynamics: people who work slow always benefit from more time, but people who are avoiding the work may find even more distractions over time, find their motivation waning even more. So if you give people 5 years to do a homework assignment, all the people who benefit from having lots of time get done in 1 year, but those who are avoiding the assignment actually take it less seriously in the initial period where they have momentum, and so are less likely to finish with a 5 year assignment period than with something shorter.

So maybe 1,000 years (or if we take that as being non-literal, something else perhaps basically similar in length) is the optimal length for the Millennium, to help both slow workers and procrastinators. All slow workers can finish in that time, perhaps. We might say that God can't offer the demons anything other than that length of a Millennium, because God has to give us the optimal amount of time to make our decision (too long would lose too many of the procrastinators, too short would lose too many of the slow workers). That's his "wage ceiling".

But then, why isn't his wage ceiling a bit lower so that it excludes gratuitous suffering?

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God wants to maximize the number of people in heaven and minimize those who are lost. A person in heaven is an infinite good (everlastingly alive) while a person who is lost is an infinite loss (the loss of a person forever). But not infinite in the sense that one person saved could somehow be equal to millions lost (nor that the calculation would be indeterminate). It is very important to God to make it so that everyone who is created goes to heaven, if it is under God's power to do so.

However, as evil as intense suffering is in itself, if it does not affect eternity, it is something God can accept if there is some kind of benefit to doing so. A benefit might be that God can more readily get demons to draft and sign temptation contracts if they get to cause us intense, and even seemingly gratuitous, suffering. The sooner they sign, the more memory God has to create people.

If God is deontologically constrained so that if it is under his power to keep us from being lost, he must act, does that mean that he will at some point make up for any lack of anti-temptation in our lives, caused by people failing to anti-tempt us? If so, does evangelicalism make sense?

It might make sense if we ourselves are tempted to not care. We might say "temptations must come, but woe to those through whom they come" -- what kind of person would tempt someone else to sin? But we might also say "anti-temptations will come, but woe to those who do not anti-tempt", as in, if you aren't inclined to anti-tempt, your heart is not like God's heart, and that's a dangerous situation to remain in.

It is also possible that the sooner people are anti-tempted, the less suffering there is in the world, and the fewer regrets people have. And also, God is in a state of suffering when we are out of tune with him, and if we love him, we will want to reduce that suffering -- suffering is felt in the now in a demanding way, even if God knows that it is temporary.

On the other hand, maybe there is still room for tragic outcomes despite God's pure will to save. If God's memory is finite, then there is only so much time for people to come to holiness. People can only process so much psychological input in a given amount of time. If we don't use our time well, there is some chance that though God is willing to anti-tempt us to make up for lacks earlier in life, there might not be enough time for us to respond. (So it makes sense to be concerned about things like hedonism keeping us from growing spiritually in secular time.)

Now, God can build in some slack by allocating more time for the Millennium and creating fewer people (so that he can anti-tempt us to make up for our lack of anti-tempting), and he would. But he allocates the slack based on his estimate of what decisions we will make in the future (the future from his perspective creating the world). If we exceed those estimates, then there might not be enough slack.

It is possible that God and the demon make their temptation contract such that God has to keep the world order the same once creation begins. God believes that we are going to only be "so bad". Perhaps, before he has seen us, God doesn't understand how bad we could turn out to be. (Think of God trying to undo creation with the Flood.) He has some idea, having seen demons, but since he is a good being, his imagination doesn't naturally "go there". (To imagine something that has never been imagined before is to make something real and new in the imaginal world, so to imagine evil for the first time is to create evil. God can't do that, but he does perceive the evil that has been created in the imaginal world by others, and this is his source for understanding evil.) Further, God doesn't know what can't be known (what hasn't happened yet), so he doesn't know exactly what we will decide to do. God bets that our moral nature will conform to his expectations (from the Bible, it sounds like Satan bets that we will be worse than God's expectations), and when we prove God wrong, maybe it's too late for him to put the slack into the plan for the Millennium to compensate for that.

The existence of gratuitous suffering (or other gratuitous evil) is something that only makes sense if God is not against evil (which doesn't make any sense in MSL) or he has some kind of constraint on his power. Here are two constraints: God can't tempt, and God can't imagine evil for himself, only can imagine it once his eyes have been opened by seeing it embodied by beings that were capable of innovating in that area. These two constraints come from his holiness, that he is sinless.

(God is also constrained by having to want what he wants, a consequentialist constraint, while the non-tempting one is a deontological one, and the inability to imagine evil one could be seen as a virtue-ethical one or a kind of "physical constraint". Another "physical constraint" being God's limited memory, and also his inability to relate to what does not exist (future things).)

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Can the demon make a contract with God that makes heaven worse than God intended? (So much worse that we would not look forward to it?)

Temptation is only needed up to the end of the Millennium. Theoretically, after that, God could break whatever contract he had with the demon. I'm not sure that that would be a legitimate thing for God to do, so what about the case that it is not?

Evil has to end someday. If not, God calls evil good, by never rejecting it, which is illegitimate. Heaven is the time in which evil does not exist anymore. So whatever damage a demon could do through the contract, it could not cause heaven to have any evil in it. (God would be unable to make that concession.) This includes the qualia of unbearability, which are evil. Perhaps the demon could make heaven less pleasurable? Once we are spiritually mature enough to be in heaven, we probably won't care that much about a little foregone pleasure. But could the demon negotiate for all pleasure to be gone?

I think demons are more motivated by raw sadism (inflicting the qualia of unbearability) than by quieting heaven's pleasurablity. Perhaps heaven's pleasure can be protected by more pain in this life (God can negotiate for us to have more pain in this life so that we can experience his desired level of pleasure for us in heaven forever.)

I guess it's possible that there are demons who are relatively more anti-pleasure than they are pro-pain (I would suppose that all demons are pro-pain), and thus who would drain heaven of its pleasure (or add 100% bearable suffering) for all eternity. Assuming that heaven's pleasure(/lack of excess bearable pain) is important to God (and it might be if for no other reason than to motivate and comfort us), he might prefer to work with demons who would allow us to make this life worse, and the Millennium worse, in hedonic terms (though not in terms of whether those lives are effective in leading us to salvation), but keep the last, everlasting life, up to a certain hedonic standard.